On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 12:10 PM, P Kishor <punk.kish at gmail.com> wrote: > still... is this par for course for other frameworks as well? other frameworks are much worse. -- If riding in an airplane is flying, then riding in a boat is swimming. 114 jumps, 47.2 minutes of freefall, 90.4 freefall miles.